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Fisher Engineer Dave Johnson's talk with El Paso Chapter GPAA
*reprinted by permission of First Texas and Dave Johnson
File: El Paso Chapter GPAA talk 12 Feb 08 Dave Johnson minor update 25 march 09
The History of Metal Detectors, with Emphasis on Gold Prospecting
Good evening! My name is Dave Johnson, and I’m the Chief Design Engineer for the world’s largest manufacturer of hobby type metal detectors located right here in El Paso. The brand names we manufacture include Fisher Research Lab, Bounty Hunter, Teknetics, and a number of private labels. I’ve been designing metal detectors for 27 years for several different companies, so there’s half a chance that if you swing a metal detector, I had something to do with it.
My presentation this evening is on the history of metal detectors, with an emphasis on gold machines. I’m not here to sell my company’s products, but it’d be downright discourteous of me to show up and not bring some literature and a Gold Bug 2 to demo. So after the meeting if anyone is interested I’ll be happy to talk with you.
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Information on the new Teknetics Omega- Engineer Dave Johnson
*Reprinted by permission of First Texas*
Posted originally on American Relic Hunters Official Teknetics Forum
Hello! and, Omega
Posted By: dave johnson
Date: Friday, 13 February 2009, at 1:10 p.m.
Hello, this is my first forum post on this website. Some of y’all I recognize from other venues.
Since the Teknetics Omega is in the process of being released to production, there will be a lot of curiosity about it. Most of the questions will relate to features and performance in the field. There’s no need for me to go into those matters, since other people will quickly fill in the details. What follows here is a bit of information which is probably better coming direct from engineering department.
Once the Omega gets into people’s hands, it’ll become obvious that there is some sort of relationship between the Tek Omega, and several earlier Fisher and Bounty Hunter products. Here’s what that relationship is.
Turn the Discrimination Down by Charlie Pearsall
Avoid the temptation to muzzle your F-75 too severely. At first I was running a discrimination mask of 55 with nickels notched in and I might get to 34 or 35 on the sensitivity in default or bottlecap mode. Now I run discrimination at 15 and no notch. The sensitivity can be run up to 85 or 90! More signals, but dig only the steady TID numbers when swept from different directions. If it hops 5, 10 or even 20 units, it’s trash. If it only varies one or two, or none, it’s a coin.
The caveat is that you have to somewhat memorize the trash and coin ranges, and there is a danger a signal outside the common coin numbers might be an uncommon coin or jewelry. The F-75 display has bars for Nickel, Dime and Quarter+, but they’re wide ranges. You can be much more specific (i.e dimes are 70 or 71 in my soil).
When in doubt – dig.
Charlie Pearsall
Fisher F-75 – Interference Information
*reposted from dankowskidetectors.com*
ELECTRICAL INTERFERENCE
The Fisher F75 is probably the most sensitive metal detector ever
manufactured.
Such high sensitivity makes the F75 susceptible to electrical
interference. In Discrimination
Mode, electrical interference may cause the F75 to chatter or beep
spontaneously. Indoor use, or use in proximity to buried or overhead power
lines, will result in chatter at high sensitivity settings.
To overcome chatter, which is usually due to electrical interference,
you can:
1. Try sweeping it over the ground.
If the F75 chatters while held still, or held up in the air, it
may be much quieter
when sweeping over the ground.
or
2. REDUCE the SENSITIVITY.
At a reduced sensitivity level, the F75 will still give good
detection depth.
Reduce sensitivity until the chatter stops. This may be a very low
setting.
or
3. Search in an All-Metal Mode.
Interference is much more tolerable in these modes, even at high
sensitivity.
SENSITIVITY FEATURES
Sensitivity settings from 1 to 29 have the following characteristics:
In an All-Metal Mode, you may notice more background noise than
at higher (30-99) settings.
The F75 will be more resistant to overloading on large targets
or salt water at settings of 1-29.
You may find that sensitivity increases as you increase the
discrimination level.
This behavior is normal for the F75. If increased discrimination
results in chatter,
then reduce the Sensitivity Setting.
BATTERIES
You may experience “chatter” or erratic behavior if using
inferior batteries, or discharged batteries.
If the lowest battery bar flashes, replace the batteries.
If all battery bars disappear, replace the batteries.
Use only battery types as recommended on page 6 of the manual.
Do not use ordinary zinc-carbon batteries.
Discrimination Mode "Sensitivity" and "Depth" in Single-Frequency VLF Metal Detectors
*Used with permission of Fisher Labs*

Some metal detectors are “more sensitive” than others, and “how deep” a particular metal detector can detect a specific metal object depends on many variables.
“Air test sensitivity” refers to the maximum repeatable detection distance achievable in air using a standard metal test piece (typically a US nickel coin), with the searchcoil that’s standard with that model, in a location without electrical interference, the machine adjusted to just barely eliminate background chatter. If ground balancing is available on the machine, it must be done using ferrite. …….. A properly done “air test” provides an indication of a machine’s potential to “go deep” on buried coins. Because of interference from magnetic iron minerals in the ground, actual detection depth will usually be much less than what’s achieved in “air test”. (NOTE: for maximum depth on buried objects, search in the all-metals ground balanced mode, which is much less affected by iron minerals.)
“Sensitivity control” A control labeled “sensitivity”. It actually controls either gain or threshold, or a combination of both, depending on the machine. If both, the higher settings vary threshold and the lower settings vary gain.
“[Audio] threshold control” Determines the signal strength level corresponding to the threshold of audibility. A negative threshold setting is used to suppress signals by a fixed amount so that only signals stronger than that amount will be heard. Negative threshold settings are used to silence internal “circuit noise” and electrical interference. Machines which have no threshold control have an internal threshold which allows silent operation, or a control labeled “sensitivity” which actually controls threshold. …..Some models allow positive threshold settings. In most cases the positive range controls the loudness of a minimum detectable signal, a separate internal threshold determining what will or will not be detected.
“Gain control” This makes signals bigger or smaller. High gain settings make signals bigger, and therefore signals which were originally weaker can more easily exceed the audio threshold, and be heard. If the gain setting is too high, electrical interference or internal circuit noise may cause constant audio chatter. ….Lower gain settings reduce the size of signals, so that relatively weak unwanted signals (electrical interference, deep iron fragments, aluminum foil shreds, etc.) can be silenced.
The effects of discrimination “Discrimination” between different metal objects is done using a different set of signals than the ones used for detection. Since the overall purpose of discrimination is to eliminate response to certain classes of metal objects beginning with metallic iron, magnetic iron minerals in the ground will tend to make nonferrous metal signals look more like ferrous, increasing the probability of their being rejected by the discrimination circuit. Some machines provide data on the amount of iron mineralization, so with experience you can estimate the depth of effective detection and discrimination on that site.
Interactions between controls There are many types of discriminators, all of which have some effect on “air test sensitivity”. The most common pattern (nearly universal in older all-analog machines) is that “air test sensitivity” decreases slightly as discrimination is increased. Most of our recent designs do discrimination entirely in software, where control settings are actually data which don’t necessarily do the same things to signals that circuit components used to do. In the case of the T2 and F75, those differences were confusing to some users. In general if a T2 or F75 seems too noisy, the solution is to set the discrimination level to the iron range; and if that doesn’t do the job, also reduce the sensitivity setting. In the F70 and F5 which are more recent designs, the interactions between control settings and signals are even more complex, but we did a better job of hiding the details thereby giving the user an improved sense of predictability.
Electrical interference In many (probably most) machines, elimination of electrical interference is best achieved by setting the discrimination level to the top of the iron rejection range, then reducing the threshold setting (if threshold control is available; it may be labeled “sensitivity”). Even if the machine chatters in air, while actually in motion searching over the ground it will usually quiet down, except for occasional random pops which don’t sound like targets. (Frequency shifters found on some machines are beyond the scope of this essay.)
How much depth should I get? There is no single answer to that question. In a few places, you may get in-ground depth almost as good as in an air test. There are also a few places with so much iron or salt mineralization that most detectors are not even usable. In most soils, the best discriminators will usually detect coins to a depth of 7 inches or more, and will usually provide usable discrimination and target ID to a depth of 5 inches or more. However, a particular target may not be detected or may be misidentified because of the proximity of rocks or other metal targets, disturbed soil caused by digging, peculiarities of the target, or suboptimal user technique for that target in that setting. On sites where the discriminator doesn’t provide enough depth for your purposes, search in the all-metals ground balanced mode if the machine provides one.
Copyright First Texas Products and Fisher Labs File: sensitivity and depth last update 18 Sept 08




